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  • 1.  IR/ Stroke/ Trauma Call

    Posted 06-15-2018 10:14

    Greetings,

    We are an independent radiology group covering the IR/ Stroke/ trauma call for an area hospital, in addition to 24/7 reads. The stroke/trauma certification that the hospital holds requires IR participation and availability.
    I'm curious how the relationship works for other groups.  Do you receive a stipend for covering the call or do most independent groups cover the program without compensation? Do physicians get a stipend for Department Director positions that require meetings and management time?



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    Sharon Iverson
    Executive Director
    Radiology and Nuclear Medicine
    Topeka KS
    (785) 234-2306
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  • 2.  RE: IR/ Stroke/ Trauma Call

    Posted 06-15-2018 11:43
    Good question. I'm interested, too. 

    Tim Barrett, CPA
    Radiology Associates, LLC





  • 3.  RE: IR/ Stroke/ Trauma Call

    Posted 06-15-2018 12:18
    Hi Sharon

    We provide 24/7 diagnostic and IR coverage, but not neuro/stroke interventions.  No stipends.

    We generally get paid hourly by the hospitals for the medical directors administrative work.

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    David Smith FACMPE
    Executive Director
    United Imaging Consultants
    Mission KS
    (785) 393-8387
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  • 4.  RE: IR/ Stroke/ Trauma Call

    Posted 06-15-2018 12:20
    Sharon,
    These are two separate topics:
    1. Availability for "stipends" from hospitals and health systems for Stroke/Trauma coverage.  In my experience such stipends have been available to Radiology Groups over the years - but in today's universe stipends are very difficult to obtain versus just a few years ago primarily due to eroding financial conditions of certain hospitals and health systems.  As we all know, most every hospital and health system would like to be known as "stroke program central" as well as "heart central" and "women's health central" in their communities.  The facts are that many hospitals and health systems do not have sufficient referring physicians to support such programs profitably.  So the gamble for many Radiology Groups is to what degree they are able or willing to staff the service with very expensive Radiologists if the volume of procedures and payment for services does not support the service.  Thus, many groups, in the past, have been able to obtain stipends of one form or another while the service grows over time.  Today, many hospitals and health systems "demand" specialized Neuro Interventional  coverage and are not willing to underwrite the service with a stipend.  As with all things these days, the decision set for the group must consider the implications to the group across the board if they do not provide the service as well as the financial implications to the group if they do.  Keep in mind, many "raiders" will try to insinuate themselves into the hospital by offering this service without a stipend.  The most successful strategies I have seen for Radiology Groups has been a strong and persuasive presentation and discussion with hospital leadership with facts regarding number of cases - historically as well as "forecast" using hospital numbers - supporting evidence of the need for a "stipend" from a financial perspective, as well as a commitment to help "market" the program - and most importantly a path to elimination of a stipend at some time based upon demonstrated metrics as the program grows to a sustainable state.
    2. Stipends for Department Chairs etc. - This is one that in my experience has gone away totally.  Hospitals and health systems see these positions and the participation by Radiology Leaders as a "cost of doing business" and included in the contract with the institution.  There may be rare cases where the hospital provides "medical directorships" with pay - but they are few and far between.

    Hope this helps.

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    Douglas Smith FRBMA
    President & CEO
    Phase 4 Radiology Business Strategies, LLC
    Canton GA
    770-213-4605
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  • 5.  RE: IR/ Stroke/ Trauma Call

    Posted 06-16-2018 10:40
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    Hi, Sharon.  I can't speak to stroke/trauma call, but there is a recent RBMA Radiology Hot Topics poll that asked if radiology practices receive stipends for number of services, including IR call and medical directorships among others.  Hot Topics polls are voluntary, and the results may not be representative of RBMA members or radiology practices as a whole (for example, people who don't receive any stipends may be less likely to respond), but the poll found that 38 percent of those who did respond and provide the service receive stipends for interventional call coverage, 75 percent receive stipends for medical directorships, and 54 percent receive stipends for radiology department chairmanships. 

    The full poll report is attached to this message, and is also available in the Hot Topics poll archives on the RBMA website.

    I hope this helps.

    Cynthia

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    Cynthia Vervena
    Assoc Dir Data & Survey Research
    RBMA
    Fairfax VA
    (703) 621-3357
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  • 6.  RE: IR/ Stroke/ Trauma Call

    Posted 06-18-2018 11:26
    Sharon,

    Until 4-1-18, our group was independent and received an IR call stipend for IR call.  Our IR doctors assisted with the stroke call but did not receive extra money for the stroke coverage.  

    We received a medical directorship that we submitted our time to get reimbursed for hospital meetings.  

    On 4-1-18, our IR and neuro doctors became employed by our hospital.  The body, MSK, and NM doctors may become employed by our hospital 1-1-19.

    I can give you more details about our call stipend and medical directorship privately since we cannot share fees on the forum. 

    Unfortunately, our hospital was unwilling to pay an interventional neurologist call pay for his stroke coverage and he recently left our system for a better paying job.  As a result, our hospital lost its stroke certification recently.
     
    Please contact me via email or at 417-894-0878 if you have any questions. Thanks and have a wonderful day. 

    Jay Smith, CPA, MBA 
    Business Manager
    Litton & Giddings Radiological Associates, P.C. 
    P.O. Box 14049
    Springfield, MO 65814 

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  • 7.  RE: IR/ Stroke/ Trauma Call

    Posted 09-05-2018 12:57

    To continue this discussion thread I have a question about evaluating market value/compensation in this service line of Stroke/NIR call. I am not asking for anybody to post or share specifics in that regard in this thread in violation of RBMA policies.

    What I am interested in is consulting or other similar firms who specialize in working with rad groups and their facilities to help quantify the fair market value of this level of coverage and options as well as reconcile discrepancies in the two parties perceptions of that value. Peripheral to that also assistance in the design of allowable cost and revenue sharing models that can work between the parties.

    If you have used or have knowledge of options in this area I'd love to hear of them, either here or in a private message.



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    George J. Ehrhardt, CPA
    CEO
    Lakeland Radiologists, P.A.
    Jackson, MS
    601-200-6159
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