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  • 1.  PPP Repayment

    Posted 05-06-2020 11:16
    Thought it would be a good idea to open a discussion on PPP repayment as it is as clear as mud and maybe we can crowdsource a strategy. Was reading a Forbes magazine article on this topic and enjoyed this quote from a CPA. 

    "We don't know what costs are forgiven. We don't know what will determine which costs are allowed - is it incurred, paid, or both? We don't understand the time frames. We don't know if we can deduct the expenses paid with forgiven dollars. We have no idea how to compute the reduction in forgiveness related to lost employees or reduced salaries, or how to restore that reduction if it occurs. And lastly, NONE of it may matter, because the banks are going to make the rules, and they don't know what the hell they're doing. Other than that, we've got this all figured out."



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    Kyle Tucker
    President
    Dexios Corporation
    Midlothian VA
    (804) 378-3543
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  • 2.  RE: PPP Repayment

    Posted 05-06-2020 11:35

    There are  draft spreadsheets available that have been designed by Forbes, PNC, Wells Fargo etc. that will give practices a reasonably solid idea of how this will play out based upon the information available to date. If you maintain vigilance with a specific institution and follow their updates (I recommend your lending institution if at all possible) then you will have in-hand the best information possible. If your lending institution does not have a "demo" worksheet then choose a reputable source and follow it...... As the landscape changes and updates are made the big consideration is that the lending institutions, based upon current information, will have a great deal of flexibility  in these calculations. Hope this helps....

     

    Keith E. Chew, MHA, CMPE, FRBMA

    Principal – Consulting with Integrity

    18 Hawks Nest Chatham, IL   62629

    217-971-5293 Direct

     






  • 3.  RE: PPP Repayment

    Posted 05-06-2020 11:42
    Kyle

    Based on the track record thus far, I think this is the operative phrase:  the banks are going to make the rules

    Worst case scenario, you have to pay the money back over two years with 1% interest.  Until I have written documentation of forgiveness, I'm treating it all as a loan.

    With respect to the tax question:  the CARES Act states that the amount forgiven will be excluded from taxable income.  I believe the IRS has stated that you can't deduct expenses paid with those non-taxable dollars.  I know that some are pressing for Congress to act to allow deduction.

    Honestly, I think the best strategy is to keep good records, relax, and wait for your bank to prepare to begin calculating forgiveness.   My guess is we won't know results until the 3rd quarter.  Stressing about it won't accomplish anything.


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    David Smith FACMPE
    Executive Director
    United Imaging Consultants
    Mission KS
    (785) 393-8387
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  • 4.  RE: PPP Repayment

    Posted 05-06-2020 12:42
    So true!!! Gave me a chuckle :) Thank you !





  • 5.  RE: PPP Repayment

    Posted 05-14-2020 12:17

    I know we are all waiting on answers regarding our forgiveness but wanted to pose a question.  The $100K salary cap-we calculated $8333 per month for our highly compensated in our application.  We have part time HCEs that exceed the $100K on an annual basis but with our schedules their paycheck varies.  They are paid a day rate and with bi-monthly paychecks so one check may greatly exceed $4166, another may not.  Do you think we can count the $4166 per payroll for all of these HCE or would it vary payroll to payroll?    We are keeping our $ separate and trying to be diligent in our designation before we move it.  Augh!  Thanks! Paula

     

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  • 6.  RE: PPP Repayment

    Posted 05-14-2020 12:30
    Hi Paula

    Like you, we used the $8333/month figure on our application.  However, SBA subsequently clarified that the 8 week limit is $15.385 (100000/52 x 8).  I'm willing to bet this will ultimately be up to your bank's discretion, but my guess is that they will allow actual payout up to $15,385 per person during the 8 week period.  That's certainly the number I would record for loan use, and what I would provide to the bank when the time comes to calculate forgiveness.

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    David Smith FACMPE
    Executive Director
    United Imaging Consultants
    Mission KS
    (785) 393-8387
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