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  • 1.  Compliance issue with adding doppler?

    Posted 06-10-2020 10:58
    Forum,
    We posed a question a couple days ago on the coding forum but have not received a response yet. Since this is actually more of a compliance question I thought I'd post here to see what you think. This is a slightly modified version of the question we posted on the other forum:


    We have the following scenario:
    1. We perform dopplers on all US non-OB pelvis and US scrotum.
    2. The dopplers are not ordered - they are done as part of our protocol.
    3. We have not been charging for the dopplers.

    We would like to start charging for the dopplers under specific circumstances. (Specifically, when the patient presents with pain/possible torsion.) It is our understanding that the Test Design Exception allows this as long as we document the medical necessity of adding doppler, and of course document that the doppler was performed, and what the findings are. (We know there are specific elements that need to be included to document limited vs complete doppler as well.) However, it has been suggested that because we are always doing doppler (as part of our protocol), but only charging for it under these specific circumstances, we might have a compliance issue if we proceed with this.

    Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is anyone out there performing dopplers but only charging a portion of them?

    Thanks in advance.

    Rick

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    Rick Sylvanus

    Operations Manager

    Southern Delaware Imaging Associates

    E-Mail: Rick@sdiassociates.com




  • 2.  RE: Compliance issue with adding doppler?

    Posted 06-10-2020 12:12
    Rick,
    I don't believe Doppler qualifies as "test dedign - it is a completely different exam and CPT code. IMHO you need an order.  It sounds like your protocol is to perform Doppler.  It would be nice if we could protocol our way around the ordering requirements, life would be much simpler, but we can't. CMS allows for the use of protocols, but still requires the ordering physician to provide an order within a reasonable period of time. 

    Mike Bohl

    Sent from my phone; please excuse typos.





  • 3.  RE: Compliance issue with adding doppler?

    Posted 06-10-2020 12:39
    Mike - At some point I brought up that concern as well, because it seems like test design is there mostly to allow flexibility on the number and types of views. However, we have this information that states otherwise:


    Quoted from the above page:

    Diagnostic Test Orders and Duplex Studies

    A common question is whether a test order is necessary to perform a duplex study when an ultrasound has been ordered by the referring physician.

    Doppler studies should not be routinely added to ultrasounds. Performing a Doppler study with an ordered ultrasound is considered to be a test design exception, according to the rules for ordering diagnostic tests. The Doppler study must be medically necessary to accurately diagnose the patient, and the radiologist should document a detailed explanation of why the Doppler was medically necessary in the procedure report. (Clinical Examples in Radiology, Vol. 9, Issue 1: Winter 2013). 



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    Rick Sylvanus

    Operations Manager

    Southern Delaware Imaging Associates

    17503 Nassau Commons Blvd

    Lewes, DE 19958

    E-Mail: Rick@sdiassociates.com

    Office: 302-645-7919 x201

    Fax: 302-645-7841

     

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  • 4.  RE: Compliance issue with adding doppler?

    Posted 06-10-2020 12:50
    The ACR has frequently said that adding a duplex scan can be part of test design, such as the Clinical Examples in Radiology issue that you quote. 
    I disagree. As Mike said, it is a different/additional test.  If you look at government audits of imaging practices that have resulted in large fines, you'll notice that most of them include the billing of a 939xx code without an order.  
    In the hospital, that order can come from the radiologist, but he must document his intent to order the additional exam and the medical necessity for the individual patient, not just done as protocol without medical necessity being established. 

    When audited by CERT or RAC, they are going to want to see the order and if it doesn't include duplex, or the report doesn't document the radiologist's reasoning for doing the duplex, it's not going to be allowed.  If you don't already, I'd suggest reading a few issues of the Medicare Quarterly Provider Compliance Newsletter.  They keyword index can be found here and you can look at some of the articles relating to imaging and see what they look for. 
    Index of Medicare Quarterly Provider Compliance Newsletters (April 2020) This index contains key words and phrases cited in current and previous issues of the "Medicare Quarterly Provider Compliance Newsletter." It includes a direct link to the newsletter and the month and year it was released by the Medicare Learning Network®.


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  • 5.  RE: Compliance issue with adding doppler?

    Posted 06-10-2020 12:57

    To weigh in one more opinion on this, over the past number of years we have had this same discussion as it relates to transvaginal ultrasounds always being done as a part of pelvic ultrasounds by two of the facilities we service (outpatient off-campus imaging department and hospital). This is their standard protocol.

    The question also was brought up of using a standing order versus the existing protocol and whether or not this would be chargeable.

     

    In discussions with multiple payers, including Noridian Medicare, the final responses were: Since it is being performed on ALL patients (unless specifically refused or due to something like patient age), then medical necessity or referring physician orders had no bearing and this is a standard protocol which is NOT a chargeable service.

     

    I have had calls on retro-review by payers (again, including Noridian) asking about the transvaginal study and why there was no charge and no order provided, and have discussed this with them again – and when they hear the words "standard practice to do this on all patients", they have continued to echo that it is correctly "NOT" billed out.

     

    JMTC,

     

    Thanks

     

    Michelle

     

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  • 6.  RE: Compliance issue with adding doppler?

    Posted 06-10-2020 16:15
    Donna - Re the ordering requirement... Does it suffice to include the order within the radiology report? Or does it have to be an actual (separate) order? 

    Our plan - if we proceed - is to include clear documentation of med necessity in a patient that presents with pain due to possible torsion. Though it's sort of sounding like the risks outweigh the benefits in this situation...






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    Rick Sylvanus

    Operations Manager

    Southern Delaware Imaging Associates

    17503 Nassau Commons Blvd

    Lewes, DE 19958

    E-Mail: Rick@sdiassociates.com

    Office: 302-645-7919 x201

    Fax: 302-645-7841

     

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  • 7.  RE: Compliance issue with adding doppler?

    Posted 06-10-2020 17:05
    For Medicare at least, and in my opinion, documentation within the report that the radiologist believed that a duplex scan was medically necessary because xxx would be sufficient.  
    Your internal processes may require an actual order, but if not, I think documentation from the doctor is sufficient. 


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  • 8.  RE: Compliance issue with adding doppler?

    Posted 06-10-2020 18:47
    Thank you all for your expertise.

    Besides the possible audit risk, what of this part of my question:

    However, it has been suggested that because we are always doing doppler (as part of our protocol), but only charging for it under these specific circumstances, we might have a compliance issue if we proceed with this.  

    Specifically, the concern is that billing for doppler under the limited circumstances described could be counted as some sort of violation of uniform billing practices. This is not an idea I'm familiar with though.







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    Rick Sylvanus

    Operations Manager

    Southern Delaware Imaging Associates

    17503 Nassau Commons Blvd

    Lewes, DE 19958

    E-Mail: Rick@sdiassociates.com

    Office: 302-645-7919 x201

    Fax: 302-645-7841

     

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  • 9.  RE: Compliance issue with adding doppler?

    Posted 06-11-2020 10:57

    Couple of other question on this....   We've trained our schedulers to contact the referring physicians to obtain the verbal order on specific US exam types; then document accordingly.   Additionally, if the order includes imaging "at rads discretion" it's our understanding that the Doppler can be billed if needed during the exam.   We've instructed our coders that if the Doppler is NOT in the title of the exam, but in the body of the report - do NOT bill for the Doppler.   Doppler in the title of the report, but NOT in the body of the report, return for clarification.  We also perform internal audits to ensure compliance.

     

    Any issue with this workflow, in particular with the "at rads discretion" commentary?

     

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  • 10.  RE: Compliance issue with adding doppler?

    Posted 06-12-2020 13:28
    I agree with what others have said with respect to proper orders and documentation.  I'd just like to add that the ordering physician rules do not apply to the hospital setting.  They only apply in the office setting.  In the case of an audit, radiology groups should not be penalized for ordering tests, changing them or adding on to them in the hospital inpatient or outpatient setting.
    ACR has a specific article that they published for the Society for Breast Imaging clarifying this issue.  You can ask the Economics staff (including coding staff) to share this with you.
    Pam