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  • 1.  PPP forgivness application

    Posted 05-16-2020 11:49
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    Good morning,

    The forgiveness application for the Paycheck Protection Program has been published, and you will find it attached.


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    Cindy Pittmon RCC, CHBME, FRBMA
    Founder, President, CEO
    Acclaim Radiology Management
    Longview TX
    (903) 663-4800
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  • 2.  RE: PPP forgivness application

    Posted 05-18-2020 08:18
    For anyone who's had a chance to review the application, is it me or does it sound like total per employee cash compensation (including retirement contributions) is limited to $100k?

    When we were going through the loan application process a little over a month ago it seemed like the consensus on the forum was that the $100k limit applied to salary only, and that retirement benefits would be on top of that. This forgiveness application doesn't indicate that - or I've misunderstood something.







  • 3.  RE: PPP forgivness application

    Posted 05-18-2020 19:23
    Schedule A of the application states the following -
    Non-Cash Compensation Payroll Costs During the Covered Period or the Alternative Payroll Covered Period:
    Line 6. Total amount paid by Borrower for employer contributions for employee health insurance
    Line 7. Total amount paid by Borrower for employer contributions to employee retirement plans
    Line 8. Total amount paid by Borrower for employer state and local taxes assessed on employee compensation

    Based on that language, I would not consider retirement contributions to be a component of the $100k limit.




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    Shelley Stevens
    Director of Accounting & Finance
    Central Oregon Radiology Associates, PC
    Bend OR
    (541) 598-3218
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  • 4.  RE: PPP forgivness application

    Posted 05-18-2020 21:13
    Thanks Shelley - I saw that too, today, so it does seem like those amounts are on top of the $100k




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    Rick Sylvanus

    Operations Manager

    Southern Delaware Imaging Associates

    17503 Nassau Commons Blvd

    Lewes, DE 19958

    E-Mail: Rick@sdiassociates.com

    Office: 302-645-7919 x201

    Fax: 302-645-7841

     

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  • 5.  RE: PPP forgivness application

    Posted 05-19-2020 13:14

    Hi Rick,

    As we read it, retirement plan contributions are entered in addition to cash compensation even for those employees earning over $100,000. PPP Schedule A asks for Cash Compensation in Lines 1 and 4, and then it asks for retirement plan contributions in Line 6. There is no limitation noted for employees over $100,000 annual compensation. You can find out more in our PPP forgiveness article here



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    Rebecca Farrington
    Chief Revenue Officer
    Healthcare Administrative Partners
    Media PA
    (610) 892-8889
    rfarrington@hapusa.com
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  • 6.  RE: PPP forgivness application

    Posted 05-20-2020 09:44
    We interpret the forgiveness application similarly: retirement contributions are in addition to the $100k limitation in wages (as they were in the loan application).  We believe total employer contributions for the year should be prorated for 8 weeks.  For example, if the employer is maximizing the employer portion of a 401k contribution in 2020, the amount used for that employee would be:  8 weeks/52 * $37,500 = $5,769.23.  Typically we pay contributions twice per year, but plan to make a separate contribution for 8 weeks of ER contributions.  

    Also, one area of concern for us is the fact that we have 8 weeks to spend 2.5 months of funding.  We anticipate that this will result in roughly 20 days of worth funding received being paid back.  We had 76 days worth of payroll expenses in the loan application calculation (365 days/12 months * 2.5) and only 56 days in the Alternative Payroll Covered Period.  Our rent and utilities (items in the forgiveness application calc not in the loan application calc) are immaterial compared to 20 days worth of payroll costs.

    Jonathan

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    Jonathan Henson
    Chief Financial Officer
    Radiology of Huntsville PC
    Huntsville AL
    (256) 713-0633
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  • 7.  RE: PPP forgivness application

    Posted 05-20-2020 12:00
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    We interpret it pretty much the same.  The question is when is the obligation incurred and paid.  That can be a tricky question when it comes to a defined contribution plan.  Is that obligation incurred monthly?  When does the liability actually accrue?  On one extreme, if you hadn't already funded a 2019 profit-sharing/pension plan contribution, could you do it in the 8 week period and get credit?  I would say that is pretty risky.  At the other end of the spectrum, if you accrue a liability on your books every month and you take credit for 8 weeks worth of the accrual, that seems to be the most defensible and conservative position.  

    If you are a corporation, the board typically has to approve the actual amount and funding of the pension profit sharing obligation.  You may have a situation where you fund every 3 or 6 months.  You might take the more aggressive position that the obligation accrues, or is incurred, only when the board votes to fund.  In that instance, you might argue that the obligation is incurred when the board authorizes the amount and payment.  In this scenario, maybe you get 6 months of funding, but that approach is has more risk.  There may be vesting issues that confuse the analysis too.

    It would be nice if the Dept. of the Treasure would publish some guidance on this.

    It remains to be seen if the rules of the game will change again in any event.  If the period for use of the PPP funds is extended beyond 8 weeks (one of the proposals that has circulated), that will make compliance much easier.  But, will we see.  At the end of the day, if you have to pay it back, you pay it back.  At least, you got a good chunk of money, and the price is pretty cheap - 1% on the unforgiven amount.

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  • 8.  RE: PPP forgivness application

    Posted 05-20-2020 16:54
    Below is a linked article on pending legislation that could result in an extension of the 8 week period to spend the PPP funds, among other changes.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/19/pelosi-small-business-ppp-268506


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    Jonathan Henson
    Chief Financial Officer
    Radiology of Huntsville PC
    Huntsville AL
    (256) 713-0633
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  • 9.  RE: PPP forgivness application

    Posted 05-20-2020 17:20
    Well that would certainly be good news!





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    Rick Sylvanus

    Operations Manager

    Southern Delaware Imaging Associates

    17503 Nassau Commons Blvd

    Lewes, DE 19958

    E-Mail: Rick@sdiassociates.com

    Office: 302-645-7919 x201

    Fax: 302-645-7841

     

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