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  • 1.  CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 04-22-2020 17:24

    HHS has updated the CARES Provider Relief page with how they are going to divvy up the next Tranche: https://www.hhs.gov/provider-relief/index.html.

     

    Barbara F. Rubel MBA, FRBMA

    Senior VP, Marketing & Client Services

    President, FRBMA

     

    brubel@msnllc.com

    904-657-2038 (Office) | 770-823-3597 (Cell)
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  • 2.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 04-22-2020 21:46
    Hi Barbara,

    The payment our practice received does not compute using the formula laid out on the HHS CARES Act page.  Also, the formula used states "reimbursements" but the example given is for billed amount.  Do you have any insight here?

    How are payment distributions determined

    • Providers will be distributed a portion of the initial $30 billion based on their share of total Medicare FFS reimbursements in 2019. Total FFS payments were approximately $484 billion in 2019.
    • A provider can estimate their payment by dividing their 2019 Medicare FFS (not including Medicare Advantage) payments they received by $484,000,000,000, and multiply that ratio by $30,000,000,000. Providers can obtain their 2019 Medicare FFS billings from their organization's revenue management system.
    • As an example: A community hospital billed Medicare FFS $121 million in 2019. To determine how much they would receive, use this equation:
      • $121,000,000/$484,000,000,000 x $30,000,000,000 = $7,500,000


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    Stephanie Hatton
    Revenue Cycle Director
    California Medical Business Svcs., LLC
    Arcadia CA
    (626) 821-8104
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  • 3.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 04-23-2020 06:34
    Thanks Barbara.

    HHS also provided information on how to seek reimbursement for care of uninsured patients:


     



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    Rick Sylvanus

    Operations Manager

    Southern Delaware Imaging Associates

    17503 Nassau Commons Blvd

    Lewes, DE 19958

    E-Mail: Rick@sdiassociates.com

    Office: 302-645-7919 x201

    Fax: 302-645-7841

     

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  • 4.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 04-23-2020 06:49

    It looks to me like HHS is confusing terminology in their notices. For example a "Provider" is defined at 42 CFR 400.202 and generally means a hospital, critical access hospital, skilled nursing facility, comprehensive outpatient rehabilitation facility (CORF), home health agency or hospice, that has in effect an agreement to participate in Medicare; or a clinic, rehabilitation agency, or public health agency that has in effect a similar agreement but only to furnish outpatient physical therapy or speech pathology services; or community mental health center that has in effect a similar agreement but only to furnish partial hospitalization services.

     

    In addition billings, payments, fee-for-service reimbursements and revenues seem to be used interchangeably. 

     

    I have heard from other groups the math doesn't seem to work out. Note the Attestation and Payment Confirmation in the portal gives HHS has the right to adjust payments received from an electronic funds transfer/ACH immediately and without notice and that its right to make adjustments is not subject to any limitations or time constraints except as required by law.

     

    Barbara F. Rubel MBA, FRBMA

    Senior VP, Marketing & Client Services

    President, FRBMA

     

    brubel@msnllc.com

    904-657-2038 (Office) | 770-823-3597 (Cell)
    MSNLLC.com

     






  • 5.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 04-27-2020 08:53
    It looks like the portal is now open to apply for the next $20 Billion round of Provider Relief funding at:

    https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/cares-act-provider-relief-fund/index.html

    A few notes after running through the process:

    You can only use the portal if you received funds in Round 1.  You will have to have enter your bank account number and the amount received
    You have to enter your Medicare or Medicaid number.  I entered our PTAN.
    You will be asked to provide an estimate of lost revenue for March and April.  
    You will have to upload a copy of your latest federal tax return
    You have to agree that information about any payment received will be made public

    It didn't provide any indication of how much we should expect to receive, but it said to expect funding in about 10 days.

    Happy Monday!

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    David Smith FACMPE
    Executive Director
    United Imaging Consultants
    Mission KS
    (785) 393-8387
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  • 6.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 04-27-2020 09:02

    David,

     

    It is unclear to me whether to use the most recent tax return or the 2018 tax return.  The website states that this distribution is based on 2018 Net Patient Revenue.... Yet the first round was based on 2019 Medicare Fee for Service Revenue... not sure if they are doing the calcs behind the scenes and we do, as you suggest just send 2019 tax return, or if this round is based on 2018 and we should send the 2018 return.  I am not sure we were right, but we submitted the 2018 return for this second round. 

     

    $50 billion general allocation

    $50 billion of the Provider Relief Fund is allocated for general distribution to Medicare facilities and providers impacted by COVID-19, based on eligible providers' 2018 net patient revenue. The initial $30 billion was distributed between April 10 and April 17, and the remaining $20 billion is being distributed beginning Friday, April 24.

    ·         To expedite providers getting money as quickly as possible, $30 billion was distributed immediately, proportionate to providers' share of Medicare fee-for-service reimbursements in 2019. On Friday, April 10, $26 billion was delivered to bank accounts. The remaining $4 billion of the expedited $30 billion distribution was sent on April 17.

    ·         This simple formula used the data on-hand to get the money out the door as quickly as possible. The Administration was transparent and upfront additional funds would be going out quickly to help providers with a relatively small share of their revenue coming from Medicare fee-for-service, such as children's hospitals.

    ·         HHS will begin distribution of the remaining $20 billion of the general distribution to these providers on April 24 to augment their allocation so that the whole $50 billion general distribution is allocated proportional to providers' share of 2018 net patient revenue.

    ·         On April 24, a portion of providers will automatically be sent an advance payment based off the revenue data they submit in CMS cost reports. Providers without adequate cost report data on file will need to submit their revenue information to the General Distribution Portal  for additional general distribution funds.

    Thanks,

    Michael W. Langenberg, FRBMA

    Executive Director for University Radiology

    2240 Sutherland Ave Ste 107

    Knoxville, TN  37919

    (865) 803-2973 (Cell)

    mlangenberg@utrad.com

    www.utrad.com

     






  • 7.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 04-27-2020 10:02

    This second round is for those practices that do not see any or many Medicare covered patients, thus trying to provide assistance based upon revenue loss, not losses based upon Medicare calculations/extrapolations. The reasoning behind asking for the 2018 tax return is that the 2018 return is known to be completed. The extension to file the 2019 tax return makes the certainty of the availability of that 2019 tax return questionable...... That's my insight for what its worth.....

     

     

    Keith E. Chew, MHA, CMPE, FRBMA

    Principal – Consulting with Integrity

    18 Hawks Nest Chatham, IL   62629

    217-971-5293 Direct

     






  • 8.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 04-27-2020 10:22
    I can only say that the FAQ says to use the most recent tax return.  I can't remember exactly what the Docusign prompt said, but it definitely didn't specify 2018.  I suspect it doesn't make too much difference.

    I believe the distribution that began on the 24th was to hospitals and others who file cost reports.  I don't think HHS has published the funding forumula for others, other than saying it's based on lost revenue. 

    My best guess is that HHS will use the tax return as a reality check against the claimed revenue losses for March and April.  If you say you lost $1 million per month in March and April, and your total revenue for whatever tax year you submit is only $2 million, you will probably go to some kind of review/reject queue. 

    Based on what I have seen, my GUESS is that HHS will sum up all of the accepted loss claims, divide that number by whatever portion of the $20 billion they intend to distribute based on these applications, and send EFT's for the resulting fraction of claimed losses.

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    David Smith FACMPE
    Executive Director
    United Imaging Consultants
    Mission KS
    (785) 393-8387
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  • 9.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 04-27-2020 10:49
    Interesting how imprecise wording can cause so many issues. The prompt for tax return didn't say what year so I just uploaded our most recent completed year (2019). However, the prompt was specifically for a "1040", which we don't have. So I uploaded our 1065 and will keep fingers crossed.





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    Rick Sylvanus

    Operations Manager

    Southern Delaware Imaging Associates

    17503 Nassau Commons Blvd

    Lewes, DE 19958

    E-Mail: Rick@sdiassociates.com

    Office: 302-645-7919 x201

    Fax: 302-645-7841

     

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  • 10.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 04-27-2020 10:52
    Rick

    I had the same problem initially.  I believe the tax return form prompt was driven by your entity selection on the prior screen.  We're an LLC taxed as a partnership, and initially I selected LLC which gave the 1040 prompt.  I decided to go back and choose partnership, which then requested the 1065.

    I suspect it will be OK either way.

    Dave

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    David Smith FACMPE
    Executive Director
    United Imaging Consultants
    Mission KS
    (785) 393-8387
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  • 11.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 04-27-2020 16:45
    I called the help line and she said 2018.

    Sent from my iPhone





  • 12.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 04-27-2020 16:56
    Would this mean if we have already submitted and attached 2019 instead, we will need to resubmit?

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    Rhodes Kimmell
    Administrator
    Radiology Consultants, Inc.
    Portland OR
    (503) 575-2521
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  • 13.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 05-06-2020 08:50
    Has anyone received a response to their application for the ($20B) second round of grants from the Provider Relief Fund?



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    Rick Sylvanus

    Operations Manager

    Southern Delaware Imaging Associates

    17503 Nassau Commons Blvd

    Lewes, DE 19958

    E-Mail: Rick@sdiassociates.com

    Office: 302-645-7919 x201

    Fax: 302-645-7841

     

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  • 14.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 05-06-2020 11:10

    No response, still waiting

     






  • 15.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 05-06-2020 12:06

    After submitting required information, we received a confirmation from HRSA.gov that our document was completed and they expected the funds were going to be disbursed in 10 business days.  Since that was on 4/27 I am thinking it will be on or about 5/12.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Lisa Salerno, Director of Finance

     

     


     


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  • 16.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 05-08-2020 14:23
    More detailed information here:

    https://radadvocate.com/important-updates-for-the-provider-relief-fund-and-the-paycheck-protection-program/

    This is a link that shows every provider who received relief funds with amounts.

    https://data.cdc.gov/Administrative/HRSA-Provider-Relief-Fund-General-Allocation/kh8y-3es6/data


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    William Kisse
    COO
    Washington Open MRI, Inc.
    Rockville, MD
    bill@womri.com
    (301) 424-4888
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/billkisse/
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  • 17.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 05-18-2020 11:09
    We are well beyond the ten business day window and still no response to our grant application. Has anyone else received a response/grant?





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    Rick Sylvanus

    Operations Manager

    Southern Delaware Imaging Associates

    17503 Nassau Commons Blvd

    Lewes, DE 19958

    E-Mail: Rick@sdiassociates.com

    Office: 302-645-7919 x201

    Fax: 302-645-7841

     

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  • 18.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 05-18-2020 11:11
    Rick, your talking about the 2nd tranche of the HHS stimulus money, correct?
    is so, yes, Friday our second round was deposited to our bank.

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    Douglas G. Kraus, CPA
    Chief Financial Officer
    South Texas Radiology Group, P.A.
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  • 19.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 05-18-2020 11:13

    Rick

     

    We received ours on Friday.

     

    Paul Coogan

     






  • 20.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 05-18-2020 11:12

    I received mine today.  About 16 days out from application.  I appreciate all they will give me.    Paula

     

    Paula Oathout
    Executive Director
    Delaney Radiologists
    910-341-1881
    910-343-6021 fax

     

    By blending our collective talents, we strive to serve and educate our patients with compassionate and dedicated care, always seeing each of them as an individual: every test, every person, every time. This is the Delaney promise.


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  • 21.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 05-18-2020 11:15
    Yes.  We along with many others received an EFT on Friday after applying 4/27.  I was told by someone who spoke to Optum/United Healthcare (who is operating the program), that they are doing EFT's on Fridays, and cutting paper checks on Wednesdays if you're not set up to receive EFT's.  The same source said there should be an email if your application is turned down, or held for further review.

    Also, based on the formula CMS presented, the sum amount of all Provider Relief Funds payments should be 2% of the income figure you supplied based on your tax return.  If the first payment exceeded that number, you won't get a second (and I think you may have to refund the excess).

    Hope this helps!

    Dave

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    David Smith FACMPE
    Executive Director
    United Imaging Consultants
    Mission KS
    (785) 393-8387
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  • 22.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 05-18-2020 11:15

    We received our second round of HHS Stimulus monies last Friday. We had applied the very first day the application became available.  The monies were deposited in our account without any notification.

     

    Wendy Crist|Practice Manager

    Diagnostic Radiologists P.C.

    (503)251-6855 phone

    (503)261-6786 fax

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  • 23.  RE: CARES Provider Relief

    Posted 05-18-2020 16:59
    We received our funds on Friday and just this morning the email came regarding the approval of these funds. The email states that from our revenue information they made the calculation. According to basic 2% calculation, they did not give us 2%. With both round 1 & round 2, we still have 40% of that 2% amount that we did not receive.
    Does the wording sound like there could be a round 3?

    How were payment amounts determined?
    The following methodology was used to calculate relief fund distributions: the lesser of a) 2% of 2018 (or most recent complete tax year) net patient revenue; or b) the sum of reported revenue losses for March and April 2020 due to COVID-19. Providers who received a payment between April 10 and April 17 that is equal to or more than 2% of net patient revenue will not receive additional general distribution payments.

    Thank you,

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    Rhodes Kimmell
    Administrator
    Radiology Consultants, Inc.
    Portland OR
    (503) 575-2521
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