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  • 1.  Mid Level Providers

    Posted 04-25-2018 11:08
    Hello Forum:

    I would like to know how many hospital based practices are utilizing PA's r RA's. If you are utilizing these providers what services are they preforming and being paid for. From what I have read an RA cannot obtain a Medicare number but a PA can, is that correct? I would also be interested in knowing how many radiologist are in your group and how many facilities you cover. We are a small group that covers 1 facility. We will be loosing a full time radiologist next year and the subject has come up to replace this position with a mid-level. There are concerns with what exactly a mid level can preform and be paid for. Any insight or information you might have on how you are utilizing mid-level providers would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you-

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    Danyle Conner CCS-P, CPC, RHIT, CPPM
    Business Manager
    Four Corners Radiology Associates
    Farmington NM
    505-325-1572
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  • 2.  RE: Mid Level Providers

    Posted 04-25-2018 11:31

    I share interest in the discussion.  We have 3 RPA/RA's who provide fluoro to inpatients only under general supervision.  The group has never billed for their work, but it is seen as very helpful to efficiency.  They are also personally supervised by the Radiologists for outpatient fluoro, and provide considerable assistance to the Rads with needle/catheter procedures and scrub in and assist with some IR.  So, they generate no revenue, but are considered valued team members who make the Radiologists more efficient.  They work out of 4 hospitals. 

     

    We also have 2 PA's who work with the IR docs on outpatient IR, and inpatient rounding and they do consults and greatly assist with IR docs.  There is considerable interest in allowing them to perform some of the needle/catheter procedures (done with US or fluoro provided by a Rad Tech) under general supervision, and bill those procedures with the incident to modifier.  One of them has done those procedures in her previous job and is credentialed by the hospital to perform them.  There has also been some discussion as to whether they can be trained to perform fluoro under general supervision.  There is some trepidation about training these mid-levels to provide radiology focused services under general supervision when they little to no radiology experience.  I am curious if anyone has made that leap, and if so, did they hire PA's who were formerly Rad Techs, or did they train them to perform and provide those services?  We do not use mid-levels in imaging centers and are only using them in the hospital setting.  They are employed by the group and not the hospital.  Thanks for further insight. 

     

    Darlene Molenaar, COO

    Colorado Imaging Associates, P.C.

    Healthcare Business Services, LLC

    1819 Denver West Drive

    Building 26; Suite 101

    Lakewood, CO 80401

    Office:  303-416-1360

    Cell:  860-989-6008

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  • 3.  RE: Mid Level Providers

    Posted 04-25-2018 11:58
    Hi Darlene

    My current group doesn't use mid-levels, but I have worked with groups in the past that had mid-levels (nurse practitioners) doing simple image guided needle procedures independently.  It seemed to work well.  We did bill in the mid-levels name.  Incident-to billing is not an option outside a physician office.

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    David Smith FACMPE
    Executive Director
    United Imaging Consultants
    Mission KS
    (785) 393-8387
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  • 4.  RE: Mid Level Providers

    Posted 04-25-2018 12:05

    Thank you for clarification on the billing issues. 

     

    Darlene Molenaar, COO

    Colorado Imaging Associates, P.C.

    Healthcare Business Services, LLC

    1819 Denver West Drive

    Building 26; Suite 101

    Lakewood, CO 80401

    Office:  303-416-1360

    Cell:  860-989-6008

    Fax:  303-416-1058

     






  • 5.  RE: Mid Level Providers

    Posted 04-25-2018 14:07
    We did, but in California, there is a specific fluoroscopy certification for PAs that gives us specific authorization by law.  That takes a lot of the fear out of the equation.

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